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#1 2007-02-14 09:48:39

Joe.Miler
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Fail early, test often

I enjoyed Reid Hoffman's perspective on testing concepts early and often.  It echoes advice I have read and it parallels some of the new paradigms for design students in the ME department.

In his book "Rules for Revolutionaries, Guy Kawasaki uses the phrase "Churn, baby, churn" to summarize the strategy of high-frequency testing and redesigning.  He argues that this is one of the critical characteristics of successful companies.  In an example used in his book, he even cites his market competitor Microsoft as a great example of a company that knows how to "churn", an ability that empowered them to surpass Apple, who initially led the way in graphical user interfaces.

In mechanical design, the concept of rapid prototyping parallels this "churning" model.  Rather than wasting time trying to perfect a design and produce a single prototype to show customers, product designers are using rapid prototyping technology to create simple "first-concept" models of their ideas.  If the customer wants to change something about the design, they can easily go back to churn out a new one without having lost much time or money in the process.

While this cycle of repetitive failure may be both tiring and demoralizing for both entrepreneurs and product designers, it certainly seems necessary to embrace it and very helpful to be successful in either field.

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#2 2007-02-14 16:26:26

eno.inyang
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Re: Fail early, test often

The cycle of repetitive failure is a line of trial and error. With every error comes an increased chance of success in the next trial. So, optimal chance of success is a function of frequency of trial. This frequency of trial, in the real world, translates to trying often (i.e. testing often) and, in order to get more tests accomplished before a certain time, you must test as early as is possible (and most likely, fail). Hence, 'fail early, test often' is the logical prerequisite of optimized chance of success.

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#3 2007-03-11 22:01:06

pbennett
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Re: Fail early, test often

It is interesting to hear about the 'fail early, test often' strategy in mechanical engineering. Despite this, I think there is also another nuance to what Reid Hoffman was discussing. Reid said that you need to think about the fact that you can fail, and figure out where you will fail and determine as early as possible if that is going to happen. If you are going to fail three years in, but could've known that in year one, you could've been doing something else for two years. Thus, there is this opportunity cost inherent in any failed venture that is very important for individuals to consider as they weigh their options in light of a personal discount rate of experience and opportunity.

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#4 2007-03-23 22:07:50

jed.crosby
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Re: Fail early, test often

I have heard enough successful people tell me to fail early that I now believe that awareness that you might fail and the ability to tell that you have failed may be essential components of success.  Mr. Hoffman talked about the people he sees who continue to throw good years after bad at ideas which will never succeed.  Could it be that part of the reason these people fail is that they can't tell that they HAVE failed?  One component of a strong, traditional work ethic is persistence and tenacity: keep at it until you succeed.  But, if I understand what Mr. Hoffman and other speakers in this series have said, dogged persistence can be more a liability than a virtue if it prevents you from seeing reality objectively.  Mr. Hoffman also said that every startup goes through a "valley of shadows," when it seems that failure is inevitable and the entrepreneur wonders why he started the company.  Clearly, it is important to persist through this phase, as Mr. Hoffman did at PayPal, but then how do you know when to quit?  The ability to realistically assess failure may be a crucial quality of those who eventually experience success.

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#5 2007-03-23 22:12:50

nikil.viswanathan
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Re: Fail early, test often

The idea of failing early and often seems to be when you are assuming that you don't know what you are trying to do.  If you have a set of requirements that you need to fulfill then there is no point in trying to think of what you can get by with and keep on trying.  You should just do what is required if you know that you need to do certain requirements.  Basically the idea of failing early and testing often basically applies when you are trying to figure out what is needed for a particular situation.  This most often applies to beginning creativity in the aspect of a business.

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