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#1 2007-01-29 07:24:19
- daniel.mclennan
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The On-Demand Approach to Software
I think that Tien Tzuo's talk was insightful and engaging. I believe that Salesforce.com is on the leading edge of Software as a Service (SaaS) and On-Demand applications and services. This novel approach to the software market will likely become the norm rather than the exception in the months and years to come. In this day and age, the consumer desires immediate access to personalized, customizable software. Instead of purchasing traditional software bundles and downloading them onto your PC, it seems that having access from anywhere is a critical step forward.
The AppExchange program that Tien mentioned is a revolutionary approach to the application market. Now, Salesforce.com users can contribute to the growing database of applications available to other users (assuming that Salesforce.com approves of the application). I think that this is a beneficial approach for everyone because engagement with a company tends to create ties and loyalty to the company, which fosters a deeper concern for the products and services available. This concern leads to more relevant applications.
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#2 2007-01-29 12:10:37
- Joe.Miler
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
I too am impressed with the AppExchange program that Tien commented on, and believe it to be an important step for enterprise software.
For those interested in even more ambitious approaches to software, I read a rather interesting article describing Charles Simonyi's plans to commercialize meta-programming. Simonyi, who Bill Gates called "one of the great programmers of all time", is developing what he calls "intentional software" that will allow "regular" industry specialists (from doctors to accountants) to control their own software, rather than going to the programmers (who know little about the specific field) to rework the code. While I know nothing about the details of meta-programming theory and plenty of skeptics do exist, it seems that it's at least worth keeping your eyes on if you're interested in the future of AppExchange and enterprise software.
The full article is available at:
http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/17969/
I'd be curious to hear if anyone else has other information on Simonyi's project or efforts.
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#3 2007-01-29 22:03:22
- johnny.hwin
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
I agree with Dan on the point of consumers wanting to have immediate access to software from anywhere. I think Salesforce's "no software" mantra is interesting because we're starting to see many traditional desktop software applications moving online. Whereas Salesforce is doing it with enterprise software, Google is beginning to do that on the consumer side with their Docs and Spreadsheets and other "office suite products". It should be interesting to see how large and established software companies like Microsoft plan on competing in the online space.
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#4 2007-01-30 21:45:50
- sshrin
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
I'd like to add to what the above poster said in terms of how businesses are increasingly offering an on-demand server client version of their existing products. Office live is the first step taken by Microsoft in this direction. As Tien pointed out, the internet has revolutionized the way business takes place by shortening sales cycles and by eliminating boundaries. It is incumbent upon companies to react to this significant and powerful change in the business environment and suitably alter their product offerings to harness the competitive advantages that such a business model offers.
Again, the app exchange is a very novel concept that other companies should take inspiration from as while allowing customers to actually build customized applications around the company's product, a platform like the app exchange brings the customer closer to the product and instills a feeling of ownership on the product. This, I feel, will go a long way in improving customer relations and loyalty.
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#5 2007-01-31 00:57:33
- Alice Chang
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
I agree with Johnny's opinion that there are more and more services offered online as substitutes as the desktop applications. The on-demand concept allows users to access the application and the data ubiquitously and simultaneously. Responding to Johnny's question " It should be interesting to see how large and established software companies like Microsoft plan on competing in the online space." In my opinion, Microsoft will definitely compete heavily on the online space and leverage their various web services as well as traditional desktop applications. However, to preserve their dominance on the traditional install based applications, I think they will be more likely pursue the online and offline space in parallel - online space as a supplement and an extension to the offline applications to enhance usre experience.
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#6 2007-01-31 12:49:23
- snir.kodesh
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
I agree with Alice regarding the response we'll see from companies such as Microsoft. We see the transition already from apps like MS Office to online programs such as Google's docs and spreadsheets. PC Mag had an article about the prevalence: it's not just Google creating this projects, they are becoming more ubiquitous and have their advantages with regards to collaboration. In corporations, people rely on Media Wiki more and more and away from corporate solutions for the same functionality.
Yet despite it, even if Google comes out with their online operating system, there will still be the inscentive to purchase corporate solutions. Linux hasn't become popular because of its lack of support for the mass user. Sure, comparing Linux or the Unix revolution with the Google Docs and Spreadsheets is unfair since Google does provide support for their product, but the volatility of the internet and it's ability to be maliciously exploited creates more support issues, etc. Thus, whereas we are seeing a transition, I don't think it'll be an all-or-nothing event.
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#7 2007-01-31 14:08:07
- randaltruong
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
In response to above posts I see larger companies who are established in off-line applications and enterprise software will have a hard time moving in to salesforce's area. They depend upon revenues from box-software purchases and large deals with large companies. They've missed the lower ends of the market because their development is geared towards serving an entirely different customer. I think it will be hard for them to switch gears and move towards cheap or free on-demand and online software. At the same time I foresee difficulty for salesforce to move in to the higher end. As a disruptive innovation they've established themselves with the masses at the lower end. I just have trouble seeing a large company using on-demand software. There is still too much unpredictability in the general internet structure that large companies cannot have.
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#8 2007-01-31 14:37:10
- aly_hadibhai
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
Interesting points.
What I think is really interesting about their application is the membership model. While it's true once a company fully adopts and wraps its business processes around the app, they've essentially got a perpetuity of revenue but before that point and especially is less rigid organizations, they have to prove their worth to the customer each and every month, driving them hard to show how their app can create value for the customer. After sales service takes on a whole new meaning when there is no actual sale. I think the App Exchange is a great way to create more value for clients thereby decreasing churn, I wonder if the incentives for a traditional software company would have allowed for a similar initiative to develop.
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#9 2007-01-31 23:41:27
- alain.chuard
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
I agree that the on-demand business model has great advantages to the traditional software model where software was sold on CD ROMs. However, the big flaw with SalesForce.com's business is that they spent over 80% of their budget on marketing and sales rather than product development. This means that a very small percentage gets spent on development. The result is that their product quality is average and that 80% of the money a customer has to pay for their product goes out to acquiring new customers. This seems quite absurd to me.
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#10 2007-02-01 09:06:33
- Patrick.Ross
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
I agree with Alain. In an industry where technology is so crucial, it is interesting that so much is spent purely on marketing. This makes me truly question the future of this organization. It seems to me tha it will not be long before they fall behind their competitors because they are not concentrating on the crucial technology elements of their business.
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#11 2007-02-04 22:05:38
- yanghuanie
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
The question I am concerning is the trade off between marketing and technology development. For a hightech company, technology is of great importance. However, marketing is also significant for a IT based company. Since without adequate invest in marketing, the IT company will not be able to get money from the customer. In this case paying more emphersis on marketing in today's business seems to be a reasonable choice.
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#12 2007-03-11 21:18:20
- pbennett
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
I think that the focus on marketing spending being a high percentage of revenue is misguided. In order for SalesForce.com to compete against big name incumbents like Oracle, they need to really work hard on marketing. Marketing in order to take market share away from the likes of Oracle is VERY expensive, whereas programming improved products is relatively inexpensive. Thus, especially in the early stages, seeing 80% spending on marketing is to be expected.
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#13 2007-03-23 19:16:08
- gilzar
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
With regards to the high ratio of marketing : r & d, I think it makes sense for a company like Salesforce who must compete with larger companies such as Oracle. Technology development and continued innovation are crucial for any software company, however, it seems to me like AppExchange was established to fill this gap. With users contributing to the development of new products and developing context-specific solutions, Salesforce can focus the bulk of its resources to developing a larger customer base. In fact, one could argue that resources spent on expanding the customer base are also contributing to r & d, since presumably a larger user base increases both the quantity and quality of Apps over time. In a way, this model seems to be following suit with the popular Web 2.0 sites which depend on its users to develop much of the valuable content. Given that Salesforce operates almost exclusively on-line, it almost seems like AppExchange is meant to upgrade the company to Salesforce 2.0.
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#14 2007-03-23 21:33:09
- shazad
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Re: The On-Demand Approach to Software
I think the higher marketing budget is largely justified. Salesforce is competing with two different paradigms of traditional software sales. On one hand they have companies that pursue critical mass and large scale volume, sold primarily through highly organized distribution channels. On the other hand they face well funded direct sales teams that are able to extract massive amounts of consulting revenue along with their traditional software sales. Considering Saleforce’s delivery model, distribution and end-user adoption becomes the critical defining point for driving the company. I think once Salesforce is able to achieve some semblance of a “critical-mass”, it will eventually be able to shift its resources more and more towards engineering, since it’s visibility in the marketplace is already a given.
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