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#1 2008-01-23 21:20:32
- Eugene.Adogla
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Failure: Food for thought.
"Its not the entrepreneur that fails, it is the business that fails" Mike Maples
A whole new way of looking at failure and its place within the Silicon Valley's entrepreneurial cultural matrix. Twelve very powerful words indeed!
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#2 2008-01-23 23:41:12
- Zack.Arnold
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
Eugene.Adogla wrote:
"Its not the entrepreneur that fails, it is the business that fails" Mike Maples
A whole new way of looking at failure and its place within the Silicon Valley's entrepreneurial cultural matrix. Twelve very powerful words indeed!
I don't really agree that these are powerful words at all. In fact, I don't think that Mike in retrospect would entirely agree with his own statement. While he did state this, he also cited the notion that merely given too much money to work with, an entrepreneur, through bad and unnecessary decision making, could ultimately fail in his/her business plan even though the business plan itself may actually be an effective one. Often, I believe, the business fails as the result of the faults of the entrepreneur. Maybe not though.
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#3 2008-01-24 12:02:59
- Nathan.Lomeli
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
I think Mike's statement was really just meant to imply that the entrepreneur may not achieve success with any given startup, but it's important to recognize that this failure isn't purely a reflection of the individual's capacity or potential, but rather a product of complex and often unforeseeable circumstances beyond his/her control. You can't just judge the quality of an entrepreneur based on his track record, especially if it's a short one. The example confirming this mindset was the way Mike, early in his career as an Angel, chose to tell an entrepreneur (who had worked in the podcasting business) to keep the capital he had invested and use it for whatever other startup he chose to tackle next; in other words, Mike had faith in the ability of the entrepreneur and separated this from his prior failure.
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#4 2008-01-24 12:24:55
- Kelton.Lynn
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
Zack brings up an interesting point that Mike made. I thought his idea that too much money is actually "toxic" for a startup was very interesting. He argued that more money would allow the entrepreneur to continue pursuing failing opportunities longer than he/she would if there was a tighter amount of money guiding the decision-making. This ties into the earlier posts about whether it's the entrepreneur or the business that fails- wouldn't a successful entrepreneur avoid a sink-hole endeavor (even if there was enough money to throw at it), or is too much money a 'circumstance' that can lead to the business itself failing, not because of the entrepreneur?
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#5 2008-01-24 17:55:03
- Solomon.Lee
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
Remember also that the "entrepreneur" of a business is most likely a group of people instead of an individual. A business' failure is ultimately a reflection not upon the individuals involved, but their coordinated effort as a team. I think Mike's quote is much more so at the individuals within the team, saying that their individual performance need not be judged too harshly by a business' failure, which is the result of a team's failure, or as Nathan said, "unforeseeable circumstances." Another thing that I think Mike was getting at was that even if an idea may die with a business, the entrepreneurs involved only become more experienced and better equipped.
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#6 2008-01-24 20:29:41
- Wanzhen.Jiang
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
Contemplating what I have heard From Ron Conway and Mike Maple, I had a sudden epiphany: if you have great ideas, passion, and maybe a little bit of luck, you may find the success you dream of. However, if not, don't panic, learn from what you have done wrong, and the experience of failing can be priceless. As Mike Maples points out that Silicon Valley is a great place to start a business. As Stanford University students, we are really lucky to be able to pursue what we are truly passionate about. There are many others who cannot, do not have the opportunity to pursue what they really love to do. Therefore, giving up passions and go after certain "ideal" choices are stupid. Also, one's attitude when facing failures are also crucial in determining future. Nobody can always be the winner of games. Even Mike Maples has had some experience of investment failure (though he gets his money back), and that tells us that we all learn when we fail, which makes failure truly great. Without failure, success will not happen by itself.
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#7 2008-01-25 15:57:51
- daniel .molina
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When the business fails, the entrepreneur should put his/her pride aside, recognize his/her mistakes and develop a better strategy during the next venture. Only then will it not count as failure. As Mike mentioned that he avoids entrepreneurs that are too "raw," experience adds value in almost all contexts. Even if the idea is priceless, extensive product and market research needs to be performed and the timing has to be right. If one fails, one must fail aggressively and gracefully as there will be other opportunities.
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#8 2008-01-25 17:16:22
- David.Trieu
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
I think the key to success for any entrepreneur is to distinguish a "good idea" from a "good opportunity". Nathan raises an excellent point in stating that startup failures shouldn't be blamed on an individual's capacity or potential, but I believe that failure can be attributed to the individual's decisions and actions he/she implemented. Entrepreneurs who want to avoid failure should definitely heed the advice given by Ron Conway: "Don't scale until you know it works." While there are external circumstances that can alter a company's trajectory, the entrepreneur and his/her team are the catalyst for success.
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#9 2008-01-26 09:42:52
- Kornpong.Pongmorakot
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
To add on to this, I think that Mike did bring up a very good point about trying new things. He said that from now on the cost of experimenting is going to be lower, therefore opportunities for an entrepreneur to develop himself through failure more without a lot of debt following him/her. I think this is a very good point, but I really want some clarification on what kind of costs that decrease, and actually how does this current situation facilitates entrepreneur to do start up?
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#10 2008-01-26 17:04:40
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I also thought that it was interesting how Mike Maples mentioned how some companies fail because the entrepreneur fails by being inflexible. When entrepreneurs are starting a company, they have a vision of their product and their company but Mike was mentioning how entrepreneurs need to be able to morph to be successful. He mentioned how it is common for entrepreneurs to fail because they are resistance and won’t accept change and have a very defined vision. I thought this was very interesting because the COO of SanDisk, Sanjay Mehrota mentioned how he succeeded in helping SanDisk what it is today by focusing on his vision and sticking together with it when people told him to change it. I guess it’s two different perspectives at how companies can succeed.
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#11 2008-01-28 00:32:12
- Charles.Brunner
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
I have found this thread of conversation very interesting. Several themes and key points showed up: Dynamic adjustment, steadfast plan, and efficient or contrainted funding and spending.
Several of you agreed that being dynamic helps an entrepreneur succeed, while Yesul cited Sanjay Mehrota and how he stuck to a vision. I would refer anyone who thinks they two are a contradiciton to a book I read for GEM (MS&E 271) called "The Dip," by Seth Godin. To summarize you can quick a tactic without giving up on a goal. (The Dip is a super short read, but very good. I'd encourage everyone to read it, it's only like 80 pages)
To put it another way, you might need to find another way to get from A to B, but don't give up on B and try to go to C instead. This ties neatly with what Mike Maples said about too much money being toxic; funding contraints force adaptation of failed tactics. Whether or not you are going to give up on the goal is a seperate matter all together.
I found the concept of toxis money particularly clever. In my own aspirations to be an Entrepreneur someday, I know that having funding is a good thing, but I can see how if you have too much, their is less incentive to be reflective on which of your business tactics are inefficient, useless or counter-productive. Although I would argue in a start-up you always have more things you want to do, than money to do it with, so any inefficent expenditure is counter-productive. This also links to burn rates; less is more. Slow burn rates allow more time to drop bad tactics (marketing, development, distribution, etc) and find the ones that work best with the business model, which may not be the ones most intuitive, or the ones suggested by case studies.
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#12 2008-01-30 02:27:46
- Matthew.Miller
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
I agree with most of the points people are making in response to Mike's comment. But it also reminds me of something Ron Conway said about the importance of a certain chemistry between the entrepreneur(s) and the investors. I think at one point he argued that it is very easy for them to screen for ideas and business plans just from looking at applications, but if there is not a good working relationship between the investor and the entrepreneurs, he is often hesitant to move forward. This places much of the burden of success on the entrepreneur as opposed to the business plan.
It is also important to remember that 1/3 of the companies will fail and 1/3 will only barely break even. So while there may be some cases of a company going under because of some poor business plans as Mike may or may not have implied, part of it is just the nature of the entrepreneurial world.
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#13 2008-01-31 17:50:36
- Sean.Daneshgar
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
One big take home message was indeed that failure happens even to those who eventually succeed. But what both Conway and Maples both explained was that it is for this reason they must go through a very rigorous screening process before choosing entrepreneurs through funding. The lessons are two-fold; to be willing to take risks, even if failure is a possibility, and also to optimize our projects so as to minimize failure. By focusing our efforts on one idea, consulting trusted team members, using the guidance of more tried entrepreneurs, only following through with the best ideas, and carefully planning and executing each next step in the process, our chances of succeeding are much higher.
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#14 2008-03-22 13:09:19
- anasheila.victorino
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Re: Failure: Food for thought.
I thought Charles comment was on point about the how flexibility and a coherent vision can undoubtedly exist simultaneously and I also thought the reflection on funding was insightful.
I think that having both flexibility within maintaining a coherent vision is sometimes what has made a difference for businesses and entrepreneurs who might fail in one aspect of achieving their objectives, but their flexibility to find another way to achieve their vision is what has led them to success. This is what a great entrepreneur does, maintains his or her values, while having the flexibility to shift strategy.
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