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#1 2008-02-02 23:47:40

yesul.myung
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Solving a problem and making profit?

I thought it was very interesting how Jesse Fink mentioned that his company was very research based. He focused in sovling a problem and identified the necessary companies that would help solve that issue. I think it was very interesting because usually companies are invested on because of its profitability. And although he mentioned that he was indeed in this becuase he was an investor and was looking for profits, he also emphasized how he was looking to solve a problem. Solving a particular problem might not always be profitable though. So I was wondering how does he weigh between solving a problem and being profitable.

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#2 2008-02-03 17:48:34

Irys.Kornbluth
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I think solving a problem and profitability of an idea are very related.  If something is a real problem (perhaps on a global level, like global warming), it is a problem for many people.  If someone comes out with a solution, there's no reason why people won't buy into that.  In the case of global warming, everyone is going to have to undergo major lifestyle changes as the problem becomes more serious and as more goverments (hopefully) begin cracking down.  The idea of the new "green" economy, I believe, is a great opportunity for profit because people will necessarily have to change or the world may end (a little depressing, but hey).  Thus, the returns are almost guaranteed.

Also, consider microfinance, a solution to helping economies by encouraging people to be stimulated by profit.  Profit is an incentive for change.  Moreover, if something is profitable, it will probably last longer, as people will be more willing to participate in the long term.  I believe it is essential to not exclude the importance of profitability.

What kinds of other problems were you thinking of that can be solved in a way that profit can be gained?

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#3 2008-02-04 01:49:23

Neeraj.Parik
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I agree with Jesse. Also one should mix philanthropic reasons (solving a problem for human cause) with profits. They are best when separated.

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#4 2008-02-04 02:16:47

Andres.Garcia
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I definitely agree with the previous comment, on the fact that profitability and solutions are closely related. As we have heard repetitively before not the idea is only a minor part in the success of a start up. Or better said is not a minor component but rather a given. However, what is this idea really based upon?? Evidently those successful ideas are genuine methods of in solving a problem in a more efficient implementation of some sort than that present at the time.  Innovation, by definition provides such sort of measure that is one of the most valuable components of a start up.  The highly regarded value is directly derived from the capacity of such ideas to spring new solutions and turn them into profits that is why they are so interrelated. The later is directly derived from the former.

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#5 2008-02-04 19:37:04

Sidney.Ouyang
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I liked the way Jesse Fink made it clear that his job at MissionPoint Capital was to make a profit, but because his fund is focused on clean tech, that would also help the environment.  I agree with many of the posters that for-profit is the most efficient way to solve the global carbon issue.  I believe that the best strategies will also be the ones that can be monetized.  It is much easier for non-profits to back losing/ineffective technologies and companies for too long than it is for a for-profit company.

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#6 2008-02-05 22:10:54

sandeep.das
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

Moving something into the private sector is a way of providing growth to produce a solution.  Take for example the space industry.  For a long time, space operations were primarily government operations (public sector endeavors).  They still are primarily.  However, the satellite industry and payload launch have more and more become aligned with the private sector.  Several small and medium satellite companies have come up in the last decade, which help nations launch satellites for research/weather etc, or create satellites for multiple uses.  The industry has grown so rapidly because in the private sector there is competition, whether for government contracts or business.  Similarly, a way to stimulate solutions for global warming etc, is to find ways of making it profitable in the private sector and developing competition.  Competition is a stimulus for progress.

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#7 2008-02-05 23:03:57

Sebastien.Bourdillon
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

Very true, your point on competition. It makes me think about another example of stimulus which is the development of our industry that happened because of the two World Wars. Without the ‘competition’ involved (such a serious one), lots of technological innovations, improvements, would not have been deployed that fast, up to an industrialized level. Getting back to the topic, I think the involvement of the capital market leads the companies to not only explore new solutions, but also reminds that it is also a matter of survival: technology has to be implemented fast in order to make profit. And don’t we want effective solutions to be fully functional as soon as possible…

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#8 2008-02-05 23:16:20

Arnav.Sharma
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I absolutely enjoyed the relation between solving problems and profitability. Essentially in this era of consumer-driven enterprise, the only way you can hope to compete and be profitable is by solving problems. Having taken classes at the design school here at Stanford, i understand that valuing the user's perspective is incredibly important. Most entrepreneurial opportunities also come from a good sense of observation. Observing the problems people face on a daily basis can throw open a lot of avenues to exploit commercially. I therefore felt that the tie between solving problems and profitability was very relevant. My 2 cents

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#9 2008-02-05 23:20:12

Annie.Jonas
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

It's so interesting to me on what finally compels people to make progress on a "social issue" -- in this case, the environment.  Personally, I think it's best when people are genuinely motivated by their passion for a cause, because then they are driven unselfishly to do what's best for the cause.  However, rationally, I understand that everything is driven by the economy, and therefore I am grateful when social issues can be made into profitable endeavors that drive people to act.  So in the case of the environment, I know it's been a long process to convince people that the dangers are imminent and real -- starting with Al Gore's push and the gradual development of hipness associated with being "green."  And now, by turning carbon trading into a business, it is one more step leading towards normalizing the situation and towards getting more people involved.  I think the government should create greater incentives towards R&D and use of clean technologies and hopefully in the next few years more companies will be competing to have the best clean tech.

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#10 2008-02-06 01:03:49

Li.Li
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I agree with what many people have stated, that sometimes, a practical solution to a problem involves a form of sustainability, and that usually comes from being economically sustainable. That is why I'm very much enthralled by the idea of social entrepreneurship, in which problems are being solved through various economic models rather than on simple ideas alone. Of course, in terms of what the business actually values more, that depends more on the end goal. If one sees profit making as an end in itself, then it is much different from seeing it as a process through which one can find one's solution to the problem.

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#11 2008-02-06 02:22:33

Sudeep.Tandon
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I was impressed with the subtle but distinct line that Jesse drew between working for profit and philanthropy.
Profit, despite its emotive connotations to some in the environmental movement, is a neutral concept which conveys valuable information about the efficiency of a business process. Where the real problem lies is not profit itself, but when the market prices which feed into it do not reflect real underlying values. The market economics drives a business function to create real value and acts as a strong control system to maintain focus. It is then only doubly beneficial if the business function also achieves the more sublime goal of making the world a better place.

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#12 2008-02-06 04:23:25

Matthew.Miller
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

Fink points out that mission point would not work as a non-profit endeavor was that a non-profit business model would not pump capital into the solution, which in this case is the creation of clean technologies.  I agree with what was said about weighing the profit motives of an entrepreneur.  It was hard to determine whether or not Fink was more interested in the profit as a means to create and sustain new clean technologies or simply to make the profit.

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#13 2008-02-06 12:06:58

Ben.Sheehan
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I think that solving a problem and profitability are one in the same.  However, when I say profitability, it need not necessarily relate to individuals.  It could relate to the overall profitability of a country or even the world as a whole.  For example, there is a demand for life saving vaccines in underdeveloped countries, but the citizens of such countries simply cannot afford the costs of such vaccines for lack of technology, capital, and good institutions, etc.  A non-profit can step in and solve this problem, and even though they are a "non-profit" they are creating much benefit of "profit" for the underdeveloped country by simply solving the problem.  So, in any event, as long as a problem is solved, there will be profitability whether or not it be for the person who solved the problem.  Ideally economic structure will evolve to the point that problem solvers are always the ones compensated for their work.  In Jesse Fink's case, he clearly pointed out that he was a for-profit investor, which is great because it means that he is getting compensated for the service that he provides to people.  In the long run, this is the easiest and most effective way of providing the incentives necessary to facilitate new advances in society.  For the time being, however, non-profits do a great job of solving the problems that capitalism cannot.

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#14 2008-02-06 13:52:09

Jason.Ford
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

The previous posters make a lot of sense, profitability of a company, at least in the long-term implies that the company is valuable to its users. In Jesse's special case, his companies are aimed toward broad groups of people, effectively becoming valuable to large groups of people. This gives his profitable pursuit a philanthropic aspect in that good solutions are good solutions whether they come from private interests of wholly philanthropic non-profits. I think it is very responsible for entrepreneurs to consider the impact of their pursuit on a broad scale and make sure that they act so that their company is not valuable for their users at the expense of others, for Jesse it seems like this is second nature since he has recognized that the largest potential markets are those that create value for the widest variety of people, and so his companies must cater to the good of the general public. I think he has created an interesting balance between entrepreneurship and philanthropy.

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#15 2008-02-06 15:23:02

Kevin.Wang
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

It depends on how you define profitability. I think essentially, solving a problem, especially those related to many people, is equivalent to making profit for all these people. Usually the case is, the person who solves the problem shares some of the profit by marketing his solution. But how much profit he could make for himself depends also on his personality, skills of marketing, and also luck. In addition, solving a problem is actually a very complex process. It's definitely wrong if the person who finds a solution is equated to the one who solves the problem. Therefore, I think "finding a solution" is very far from "making profit for myself".

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#16 2008-02-06 15:42:07

Akhil.Iyer
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I certainly agree with Ben.  I would say, to answer Kevin, profitability does mean the profitability of the nation or world as a whole.  Certainly then, solving solutions (while being concerned with environmental issues - a long term investment that also helps solves problems) does mean profitability.  I wouldn't necessarily agree with Kevin's point though, tthat finding a solution is not making a profit for myself.  In some way, whether monetarily, distinction, honors, etc, one does make some sort of profit by finding a solution.

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#17 2008-02-12 17:42:47

Anne.Vander.Ploeg
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I admire Mr. Fink’s passion to create a business for the purpose of solving problems but also his ability make some profit along the way.  I feel his business is truly relevant in our world today, and that his business is a step in the right direction for making a global difference.  As someone passionate about the current environemntal issues Mr. Fink’s company focuses on, I admire his ability to think outside the box and his capacity to give truly innovative contributions to the cause.

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#18 2008-03-21 23:57:29

anasheila.victorino
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Re: Solving a problem and making profit?

I think that most entrepreneurs in fact match profitability iwith finding solutions to a problem through their innovation. The great reality about today is a trend where many entrepreneurs are looking at profitability and finding solutions within areas that provide and overall social good lk Mictch Kapur. I am excited to see how innovation continues to develop in this area in the future.

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